We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. The Wester #1 and Sierra #7 Manuals have 9mm +P data. I use Titegroup in my sig p320. Recently, well, a few months back, I loaded a thousand of the X-Treme 124gr PRN for my neighbor. JavaScript is disabled. Jan 30, 2011 (Edited) I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. I don't pay so much attention to the bullet manufacturer when loading. Brian now competes in both the PRS and NRL Pro series. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! 2.8 gr. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! As with any load data posted on the internet, please start testing low and work your way up. That will allow you to get a finer-tuned powder drop. I have been all over the internet looking for a good, sound load for my 9mm. I didn't use TG; it was Longshot (or WW452AA?) Makes 900fps out of my G17. 4 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: 6 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. Still using same load years later and it's a good round. Titegroup 3.4grs 968 FPS G34 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 668 Scottsdale, AZ Posted January 28, 2018 Notes 2: 3.5grs Tite Group Distance to Chrono (FT): 5.00 Ballistic Coefficient: 0.212 Bullet Weight (gr): 147.00 Temp: N/A F BP: N/A inHg Altitude: 0.00 # FPS FT-LBS PF 10 957 298.99 140.68 9 947 292.77 139.21 8 959 300.24 140.97 I'm thinken a 124 cast over 4.0 of titegroup has anyone tried that. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Your previous content has been restored. I'm hoping this data may help some others that are looking for some data with Titegroup powder. Believe me, I'm not TRYING to stretch or bend any rules. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! He also placed second in the World Elk Calling competition. So filling up half way looks normal. In her off time, Regina writes for many publications in both print and digital mediums, trains other shooters, and mentors several up-and-coming female competitors in the precision rifle discipline. Shellholders: Lee #19 What's the difference between the Berry's plated bullets and FMJ? I always set up my chrono at 10ft from the muzzle. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. His last three years of service were spent at the 1st Marine Division Scout Sniper School as the Primary Marksmanship Instructor. Looks like i will test some 4.0 and 4.2 as long as they stay below 1200. Makes a difference the JHP will be a little hot for FMJ - assuming you are not making SD rounds. The Lyman 44th Edition has data for Bullseye, Red Dot, Unique and Herco for 158 grain cast lead bullets . Depending upon the cartridge overall length. This is a capture from the Sierra load data with Titegroup starting at 1000fps. 4.2, 1.155 coal will work well. Her assignments included Patrol, Street Crimes, Narcotics, and Gangs. Baseball won over for a time when it took him to Gonzaga University on scholarship as a pitcher for the Bulldogs. 1 - 4 of 4 Posts. Unique - 4.6 gn - 1100 fps. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified". Many of these are 131-135 PF, which are plausible competition loads. For over 25 years, he has worked in the firearms industry in product development, working and consulting with small arms manufacturing and related products. I have shot benchrest, F-Class, PRS, ELR, NRL hunter, and field matches. I like using this gun because I've heard HK tests it at 2x max pressure specs for the 9mm. Upload or insert images from URL. You can post now and register later. Thanks for your patience. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Why? In the last several years I have really focussed on the PRS, ELR, and NRL Hunter. Pressure 27,100 to 31,400. THR Group Project - PISTOL - Advanced Reloading Concepts and Discussions. In fact, Jake has compiled more wins than any other Shooter in the United States at national level Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League events during that span. Shes also the co-director of her local club, the AZ LRPRS, assisting in facilitating monthly matches throughout the year. Hodgdon Titegroup: Quest for the Perfect 9mm Hand Load Part 10 I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. He retired from the North Kansas City Police Department after tours through Patrol Division and the K-9 Narcotics Unit, with additional duties as the Department Armorer, SRT Unit Sniper, and Range Officer/Instructor. Soon I got a lot more comfortable as I did it a lot. My question is how much would you load into a 158gr bullet. Walker loves waterfowl hunting with his black lab Pow. FMJ in my XD-9 vel. I shot a lot of Sta-Ball 6.5 and it worked well beyond expectations. Nam Vet, TiteGroup burns too fast for 9mm. You need to get teh double disc kit. Paste as plain text instead, Upgrade efforts paused for now. Boris_La . Probably saved me some money. I use tight group for 9mm. ABOUT WALKER: Walker is 15 years old and has hunted from Africa to Hawaii, and several places in between, including the Yukon in Canada. He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. A longtime resident of Virginia, Todd competes in over 16 different shooting disciplines (to include USPSA, 3-Gun, Steel Challenge, IDPA, Olympic Rapid Fire, Shotgun Shooting Sports). Works good in everything from my 1911 to Glock YMMV. They're mostly for use in an M11/9 submachinegun but they work fine in a S&W Shield also. I saw that there, Rusty, but I need data for FMJ, not HP. Shooting steel plates or need to shoot fast? Soon, Zach was shooting skeet and fell in love with the sport. http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=9%20mm&Weight=115&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source, http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/dm&Weight=115&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=566352. I have found charge weights that fall in the allowable range. All but 2-3 of those are with handloadedammo. Cases were mixed brands of commercial brass and not sorted by maker. By Early on, its pointy full-metal-jacket rounds gave the 9x19mm a reputation as a horrible antipersonnel round. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys hunting and fishing with his family and mentoring youth through his ministry service. MM thanks for that comment on the adjustable charge bar. I use 4.5 gns with Federal primers loaded to an OAL of 1.130. What is your favorite firearm to load for? Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Posted by Donald H Nolen on Sep 26th 2022. My guess is 900 FPS jacketed load is getting close to not being able to guarantee the bullet always leaving the barrel, where a 1000 FPS load is more certain. I shoot X-treme plated at 4.1 grains. From their home in Montana, Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha follows Chad, Marsha and their two boys-Walker and Wyatt-across the world in hunting adventures. I got the Titegroup on a recommendation. Phillip is a 10-year Marine Corps veteran having served his whole career in the Scout Sniper community. Don't ask me why the maximum charge for Titegroup is higher with the 125 gn bullets. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Hodgdon.com says 3.9-4.3gr for LRN. C.O.A.L. I have looked at the factroy specs but I was looking for some input on loads that others use. Loading is always at your own risk. Unique - 5.7 gn - 1250 fps. Growing up, Brian spent very little time indoors, with his passions being split between baseball and spending time in either the river, the desert, or the mountains. I didn't think I was moving that fast, I just didn't know that I couldn't use FMJ data for the Berry's bullets. It's the cheapest and most available powder for 9mm in my area. I try to use a longer than suggested OAL just help with pressures etc. #1 As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. was 1146fps. Buy Sport Pistol or N320 instead. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. I am really enjoying reloading 45 ACP on my Lee classic loader. I really enjoy the community as well as the sport. They are impressed by the light recoil and how cheap it is compared to buying new AA shells for practice or matches. I`m using 3.8 gr for the plated, and 4.2 gr for the JHP. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! I know a lot of USPSA shooters who use it for their 9mm minor loads. A plated bullet (Berry's, Rainier Ballistics) falls between the two. Wyatt has won numerous elk calling competitions at the ISE Best of the West Elk Calling Competition. I have found it to be very accurate, and prefer it over my power pistol loads. Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER TO STAY UP ON THE LATEST. Jake travels the country shooting, directing precision rifle matches, and teaching precision rifle classes. Use the LRN and you will be good. I have some Titegroup I am planning on using in 9mm. Residing in Cheney Washington, Jake Vibbert owns JC Steel targets Inc. and is a strong competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and the National Rifle League. Current Oregon State Police Background Check Queue Status As Countdown To Measure 114 Vote Approaches. ABOUT WYATT: Wyatt is 14 years old and has also hunted Africa, Hawaii and other states as well. In Brians first full season, he achieved several top ten finishes, two regional match wins, and a 20thplace overall finish in the National Rifle League. A couple months later, Zach shot USAYESS competition in Grand Island. As it says on bottle, a little goes a long way.. The bullets I have available are 124gr/125gr plated and jacketed and 147gr plated. Started at 3.8 but it would not cycle my guns correctly so had to up it. Load two according to the new data for the 124gr XTP has an OAL 1.140 with a power range of 3.6 to 4.1 grains that would make this unsafe. He is also a noted TV personality, regularly appearing on TV programs Shooting USA. All I ever used was Bullseye powderlove it. Lee, Lyman, Hodgdon, Hornady, all sorts of manuals have data. A lead bullet is a lead bullet as long as were talking a medium hardness. There simply isn't much load data for the super-heavy 9mm bullets. Thank you for sharing Hodgdon Reloading data. After serving his country, George spent 20 years serving his community as a police officer. In Pistols and Revolvers.. I used data for 115gr FMJ because I thought that's what the Berry's bullets were. Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by jell-dog, Mar 14, 2017. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! HP and RN load data are practically interchangeable since you should be working up from the minimum anyways. You can find Ryan on Shooting Gallery on The Outdoor Channel, and Realtree.com. Titegroup: 0.356" 1.100" 3 . Berry's RN plated, 4.0gr Titegroup 1.143" OAL No issues running in STI Spartan, Glock 26,19,17 & 34 or my 9mm AR I put together with a NES YHM lower. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. 1.100 in. It can be very dangerous because its so fast burning. We recommend that you use published lead load data from reputable sources. 9 mm Luger - Published Manufacturer Loading Data. Nuff said. Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. And by comparison the Lyman 49th shows titegroup at 4.0gr to 4.5gr max for the same Hornady XTP bullet. Growing up on a secluded farm in rural southeast Kansas, Ryan spent the greater part of his childhood in the woods, plinking and hunting. 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum Ball-Type Handloads. Velocities taken at ~4-5 feet from barrel. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. I dont remember my powder charger right off the top of my head. PF is between 130-135 depending on gun. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. JavaScript is disabled. Powder is generally +/- 0.1 gr as it dropped using a Hornady powder drop on my Dillon xl650(although usually right at the listed charge). I've had good luck with 3.4gr of Titegroup with the 147fmj boolit. Lee made a micro charge disc that may help with small loads. Titegroup I use 4 gr @ 1.130". This link will be updated as I continue to develop more loads and test them. The snubnosed .38 and .45 ACP handloads also turned in good results. I looked at 9mm load data for 115, 124, 147gr and the range for Titegroup is, well, tight. You will get better accuracy and much better function with a mid-burn rate powder such as Unique, Universal, AA#5, or Power Pistol. So you are saying you found data specificly for Berry's plated & TG? When you load this stuff, you better be focused on what you are doing, its not recommended for anyone that loads with many powders around, constantlys swapping powders. Hollow points may be shorter so COAL may vary some. A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. It will damage a blood vessel the smaller projectile barely misses. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. Next, plated bullets have tradionally been loaded using cast lead data. Hmm, I thought it was 5ft. Can't keep enough at the house. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 3 grains? What we load doesn't mean it will be safe for you. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. Its makes your gun a somewhat heat machine. Hope this helps some others develop some loads. I am also using the Xtreme bullets. I am using TiteGroup for 9mm, but I`m loading 124 gr. At first I was a little leery when I could not find the exact bullet I wanted to use with the powder I was using. Hodgton indicates you can go to 4.1. In addition to shooting, Zach plays plays baseball, basketball, football, and track & field. He play trumpet in the Junior High Band and I am an honor roll student at St. Pats. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Tested 3.6-4.0 gr titegroup with berry's RN 124, col 1.150. More details in the thread in Tech Support for those who are interested. Although her family hobby was horse shows and barrel racing, her father introduced her to USPSA in high school. I consider the type of bullet. Titegroup has it all - low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Working and enjoying the outdoors were just a normal part of day to day life. Notes: Chronograph figures are for five rounds taken with the start screen at approximately 6 feet. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. Brian moved back to Idaho, where he completed his bachelors degree in Business Finance at Albertsons College of Idaho. COAL are generally +/- 0.005" seated using Lee seating die. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! and 8 lb. You say that now. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DSbEZeGeToe2YIoHyMXMjO9Oyp_dvQEM7VJ3tqfdwg0/edit?usp=sharing. Ryan still has a passion for hunting, but 3-gun gives Ryan and wife Dianna the opportunity to travel together and compete with and against amazing people. I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. So it is interesting that the starting 124gr load did not show a load for 900fps. Titegroup is a fantastic powder for 9mm and .45ACP. I am using 115 gr jacketed bullets with Titegroup powder. We believe the 2nd Amendment is best defended through grass-roots organization, education, and advocacy centered around individual gun owners. Used Titegroup and a variety of different weight and mfg bullets. I haven't shot any yet but it would be disappointing if I had to pull 150 bullets. I'll just try out 10-20 rds at min load and see how they go. You accidentally load this into a rifle, or a larger pistol cartridge, its super dangerous. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. I have load some test rounds (not shot yet) and used the data from Hodgon website. Zach started attending national shoots in 2018, including Junior Worlds, Junior Olympics Nationals, and USAYESS Nationals. Through shooting, Zach has met many people in the shooting community. tysdad115 Rating - 100% 15 0 0 Joined To help get you started with load data we have collected information from what we consider to be a reliable source for easy reference. Maybe Ill do another test with the chrono 10ft away and see if I get any difference in results, thanks. ABOUT MARSHA: Marsha is the co-host of Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha and is a Licensed Montana Professional Guide. What type of a load are you attempting to develope? Reply Quote. Do not load above recommended manufacturer book maximums. The 9mm Makarov and 9mm Luger velocities of 1,000 fps and 1,100 fps respectively were quite respectable, especially in the short-barreled SIG SAUER P365. Look at the large picture below, you can see, a normal load barely fills the case, its way down in there. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. I usually use the data for lead bullets when i load plated ones. JavaScript is disabled. OAL is about 1.139 give or take. TiteGroup is too fast burning to be a good universal powder. I ended up finding data for it on the instructions for the powder measure. This powder is very popular. Would the hp OAL be the same as that of the RN? Ryan earned a Bachelors of Science in Chemistry and Plastics Engineering as well as a Masters of Science in Engineering Technologies. She recently took on the role of Southwest Regional Director for the Precision Rifle Series. Snake River PRS club has become his pride and joy with a dedication to growing the sport by recruiting and supporting new and youth shooters. When I first learned it was long before Algore had invented the net. When I used titegroup my load with 147s was 3.0gr and with 124s it was 3.8gr, power factor was always around 130. After this I would consider most all of the load data above close enough to start load development with. Its easy to double charge your rounds, as you will barely notice. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. When we are sold out, we are sold out. I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. First reloading experience was disappointing until I learned the process and started making very consistent ammo. Hailing from the Kansas City-area, Jaclyn is a rifle shooter specializing in precision rifle shooting. 1.100" Starting Load Grains 3.9 Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. They are calibrated at/for specified distances. On 1/7/2020 at 8:30 PM, looking4reloadingdeals said. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. It is our mission to encourage, organize, and support these efforts throughout Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. I have an old Lee maual, but it doesn't have any info on Titegroup. His proven expertise in firearm manipulation and shooting techniques has enhanced the skills of countless individuals and agencies. He has also put together the first online Precision Rifle Training series of its kind, gaining viewers from all over the world on the JC Steel Targets website. As of 2014, Ryan and Dianna have become full time hunters and competitors, focusing most predominately on 3-Gun. As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. . Panel recommends more gun restrictions to lower military suicides, 12ga progressive reloader Ponsness Warren, (250) Hornady XTP 45 Cal 300gr Projectiles, Vintage Bushnell ScopeChief 22LR 4x scope. Powered by Invision Community. . Zach has several friends that are getting into reloading shotshells because of Zachs reloads. With velocities at 1046 to 1119. The Lee second edition manual shows 115gr jacketed has 4.8gr max at 1.125 oal for 1158fps. There have been some top 10 ELR finishes as well but I dont remember the specifics. Make an introduction to Jake and youll instantly receive a big grin and firm handshake. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, training, shows, accessories, classifieds, and more! 125 gn bullets: Titegroup - 3.8 gn - 1100 fps. You cannot paste images directly. Chad is also the Director of Advertising & Media Relations for CVA Muzzleloaders, PowerBelt Bullets, Bergara USA, DuraSight Rings and Bases, Quake Industries and Konus Optics. Appreciate the input. One is hard pressed to find a nicer person. I don`t recall my OAL for either without looking in my load notebook. He still serves the NKCPD as a Range Officer volunteer today. It is very aggravating not be able to find a load data for the particular bullet you'd like to use. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I ended up finding data for it on the instructions for the powder measure. I have been putting together some load data for some of the loads I use commonly. An avid shooter and outdoorsman, George takes pride in the quality custom rifles that G.A. He volunteers as an alter sever at Mass on Sunday at church and is a member in the Civilian Airpatrol Program. No issues there. Brian Neace grew up in Southern Idaho in the Snake River Plain, surrounded by miles and miles of high desert to the north and bordered on the south by public wilderness. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. Better like this than some of the disasters I've seen where someone basically takes a wild guess at something. As long as they cycle fine in your guns, you should be good to go. Dianna Muller earned a Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice/Psychology from University of Central Missouri and retired from the Tulsa Police Department after 22 years of service. looking4reloadingdeals Because it's a fast powder well suited to moderate-to-light recoil/PF loads, and because it is. Some flake powders have a wider range and they need it because they meter poorly. She has competed on the TV series, 3 Gun Nation as well as an upcoming show called The Big Gun on Sportsman Channel, airing in Q1 2016. The game hooked me, but I fell in love with the people! Since returning to competition on 2009, Dianna has earned a plethora of High Lady wins, including the 2013 and 2016 USPSA Ladies Open National Championship. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. My M&P and G34 love the 115 and 124s, but the 147s won't group for crap in either gun with any load and I took it up to 3.9 which is pretty hot. I was intrigued with 3-Gun since, as a police officer, I relied on all three platforms at work. That's why when I figured out that my previous loads were unsafe I called Berry's to get correct info. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Brian spent three years in Spokane as a Zag until his baseball career was cut short by a tragic plane accident that took the lives of his parents and younger sister. Thanks for the input everyone! Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. For very low charge weights the opening is not big enough to constantly fill the volume resulting in very erratic metering. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I havent had a problem yet. This works well for me, although the TG seems to meter a bit inconsistant, so I bought some WSF to try out. plated or jacketed bullet at 1150 fps minimum came closest to the ideal load. I am now loading 4.1 grains TG with OAL of 1.135 to 1.140 inches. I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. As an fyi, stay away from the 147gr berrys with titegroup. I was happy at 4.0 gr in M&P 9 and Sig p938. With my setup using the .32 orifice I get 3.5-3.6gr, .34 orifice 3.6-3.8gr and with the .37 orifice 4.1-4.2gr is dispensed.